If I am considering a tech startup with only the idea, no funding, and I need programmers, how do I get programmers to work at it for free, e.g., would there have to be an agreement for future payments? - Quora
Als ik een technische startup overweeg met alleen het idee, geen financiering en ik heb programmeurs nodig, hoe kan ik ervoor zorgen dat programmeurs er gratis mee werken, bijvoorbeeld, zou er een overeenkomst moeten zijn voor toekomstige betalingen?
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Rahul Shelke , Open source-liefhebber met ervaring op Software Architecture Design & BI Dev.
Oorspronkelijk beantwoord: Hoe kan ik programmeurs overtuigen om gratis voor mijn startup te werken?
Het heeft geen zin iemand in uw team te hebben, als u hem of haar moet overtuigen om met u samen te werken. Je kunt beter focussen op het samen hebben van synergie en erachter komen of jullie beiden voor langere tijd samen kunnen zijn of niet. Als iemand gelijkgestemd is, zal hij het niet moeilijk vinden om iets zonder geld te ontwikkelen. Maar er moet natuurlijk een geschreven belofte worden gedaan over het rendement in termen van eigen vermogen, inzet of geld. Wat is de voorkeur.
Verwacht ook niet dat iemand direct met u werkt, fulltime. Ik bedoel, ik heb er geen probleem mee dat mensen dat verkiezen. Maar iedereen heeft zijn eigen prioriteiten, problemen enz. Die hebben ook gelijke aandacht nodig. Dus je moet met mindset zijn om al deze feiten te accepteren, en als iemand klaar is om te ontwikkelen, samen met een fulltime baan ergens anders, moet je dat ook overwegen.
Dus, ga je gang en kijk uit voor dergelijke mensen via sommige gemeenschappen, groepen etc. Je zult ze krijgen.
Het beste!
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Jeff Kesselman, 25 years in the video game industry. CS major from UW Madison. Have done everything from tool and library c...
Have a fantastic track record, great company assets, a terrific senior group of founders and a solid plan to get them paid soon. And then have a strong relationship with engineers who don't have to live pay check to pay check.
I'm not quite working for free right now, but I am working for basically what unemployment would pay me. Let me tell you about the situation:
(1) My company CEO is a hugely respected industry leader, who has built very similar business very successfully twice before. He is incredibly smart, has very strong industry contacts and is a very, very nice fellow.
(2) He owns an *incredible* piece of IP with which his name is closely associated that we are building on. He also has a good deal of his own money already on the table in the form of rights acquired, consultants hired and so forth.
(3) The rest the team are all very senior, including another person who has founded a VERY successful past company in our space, has a Phd and teaches at MIT.
(4) He has a very solid, staged funding plan with back ups. Within a month he expects to close a quarter million dollars of investment capital, at which point I go to a much more reasonable rate (about half the max I have ever been paid or billed). 4 months after that, the big funding gets closed and I go to a real, if still reduced, salary, full benefits plus 3% equity of a company that will be wort a couple million out of the starting gate.
His plan to raise that money is *extremely* well researched and designed and he has a lot of very specific "unfair advantages" to get him there. he has back up plans as well if for an y reason the first funding plan fails.
Depending on the success of that major funding effort, I receive a bonus on the time already put in, plus all my time to date credits towards equity vestment.
(5) There isn't a lot of other work that really interests me in the area of the country I am fixed in right now. And I love this project
(6) He happened to catch me in the unemployment gap created by the idjit republicans so even a starvation wage is helpful.
(7) Read number one through three again. That spells credibility. While there are no guarantees in life, this is about as safe a bet as I've ever seen. And I have check points all along the way where I can bail if plans aren't working out. The first one is only 1 month in and represents minimal time investment on my part.
If you cannot command that kind of credibility, then the short answer is you are day dreaming.
I'm not quite working for free right now, but I am working for basically what unemployment would pay me. Let me tell you about the situation:
(1) My company CEO is a hugely respected industry leader, who has built very similar business very successfully twice before. He is incredibly smart, has very strong industry contacts and is a very, very nice fellow.
(2) He owns an *incredible* piece of IP with which his name is closely associated that we are building on. He also has a good deal of his own money already on the table in the form of rights acquired, consultants hired and so forth.
(3) The rest the team are all very senior, including another person who has founded a VERY successful past company in our space, has a Phd and teaches at MIT.
(4) He has a very solid, staged funding plan with back ups. Within a month he expects to close a quarter million dollars of investment capital, at which point I go to a much more reasonable rate (about half the max I have ever been paid or billed). 4 months after that, the big funding gets closed and I go to a real, if still reduced, salary, full benefits plus 3% equity of a company that will be wort a couple million out of the starting gate.
His plan to raise that money is *extremely* well researched and designed and he has a lot of very specific "unfair advantages" to get him there. he has back up plans as well if for an y reason the first funding plan fails.
Depending on the success of that major funding effort, I receive a bonus on the time already put in, plus all my time to date credits towards equity vestment.
(5) There isn't a lot of other work that really interests me in the area of the country I am fixed in right now. And I love this project
(6) He happened to catch me in the unemployment gap created by the idjit republicans so even a starvation wage is helpful.
(7) Read number one through three again. That spells credibility. While there are no guarantees in life, this is about as safe a bet as I've ever seen. And I have check points all along the way where I can bail if plans aren't working out. The first one is only 1 month in and represents minimal time investment on my part.
If you cannot command that kind of credibility, then the short answer is you are day dreaming.
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Sylvie Curaçao, Startup Adviser and Knower of things
There are other methods of getting the tech help you need. There are angel investors and accelerators popping up that offer a team of, or in some cases just one, programmers, in lieu of a cash investment and in exchange for equity. These programmers or programmer are actually running the angel fund or accelerator and would be working on a number of start ups at one time. This would also provide you with a team of mentors and advisors. However, you must show that you can execute on everything else and have the background and/or connections to make things happen. For example, if you are looking to create an app, you have the needed deep customer and market knowledge, online marketing expertise, relationships important to business development, etc... Depending on where you are located, you will also have to be able to relocate if joining an accelerator. Otherwise, there are firms that offer local expert project management for outsourced programmer teams (that are outsourced to places like India). This requires money but it is often significantly less expensive than other means, plus you have someone ensuring the outsourced tech team is qualified, on target and correctly creating the product.
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Adam Leffert, Freelance Full-Stack C#/Web Architect and Developer, Entrepreneur
You get what you pay for.
In essence, you are doing two things:
1) financing your business
2) hiring a programmer
Of the 7 billion people on earth, is this programmer the best choice to lend you the money?
If your idea is sound, there is someone better suited to finance your business.
Borrow the money, then pay the programmer.
As usual, Scott Adams said it best:
http://dilbert.com/strip/2015-09-11
In essence, you are doing two things:
1) financing your business
2) hiring a programmer
Of the 7 billion people on earth, is this programmer the best choice to lend you the money?
If your idea is sound, there is someone better suited to finance your business.
Borrow the money, then pay the programmer.
As usual, Scott Adams said it best:
http://dilbert.com/strip/2015-09-11
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Ryan Wardell, Tech entrepreneur. Growth hacker. Startup marketer.
Also, when people aren't being paid for work, it goes to the bottom of the priority list for them.
A faster way is to figure out how you can make enough cash to pay a programmer. This might mean pre-selling your product or service or taking a job for a little while. Alternatively you could learn to code yourself, enough to hack a crappy prototype together.
Ideas are nothing. But if you're looking for a tech cofounder, either getting customers or teaching yourself enough to code a basic prototype proves to a potential cofounder that you're serious about this, and can actually execute. Which helps a lot.
A faster way is to figure out how you can make enough cash to pay a programmer. This might mean pre-selling your product or service or taking a job for a little while. Alternatively you could learn to code yourself, enough to hack a crappy prototype together.
Ideas are nothing. But if you're looking for a tech cofounder, either getting customers or teaching yourself enough to code a basic prototype proves to a potential cofounder that you're serious about this, and can actually execute. Which helps a lot.
Sebastian Almnes, Growth @ Techpear
This is extremely difficult. Trying to persuade a programmer to take equity is almost impossible. If it happens it is often the programmer that asks after being payed, because he / she believes in your idea. How do I know? Because I had the exact same problem you had now. This problem was actually one of the key points to why I started Techpear. I would recommend you to go away from trying to pitch your idea straight of the bat to programmers, if it is online let them work with the idea for a while and if they like it - they will come to you. If not try to recruit and pitch a programmer offline. Go to incubators, startup events, hackathons etc and try to find the right guy / girl for you. Good luck! :)
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Taylor Cohen, CEO & Co-Founder: Backpac, Advertising: Creative, Rowan University, PHL > NYC
Hey! I'm a student founder & CEO of Backpac, a startup mobile app exclusively for college students! I've been asked this question 4-8 times today, so it's deffinitly a smart question.
The first thing I did was post in each of my university's "class of..." Facebook pages. Some response, but nothing with the talent I was looking for or the skills I needed. I started to ask, where are these people from, who do they know?
I decided to ask in certain departments at my university and I was quickly referred to a student that was known for executing these types of projects. (More about him in a moment). My other developer was put in contact with me by an recruiter that I had contacted a month or so before. At the time, he wasn't he able to help, but I asked him to keep me in mind & remember me if he found somebdoy who may be interested....we'll he found somebody!
I know this answers your specific question, but I should note, the recruiter put somebdoy in touch with me. I don't do any coding or engineering either, but I do know sales. When both of my developers came to me and said, "I don't know if I can do this without being paid, because as students we have to work" ... I basically told them the honest truth even if it wasn't true just yet...
I explained to the developers something super important that you should express and use to your advantage, because it's harder to say this adter graduation!
"You aren't taking a risk. If we become a complete failure, great, at least you leaned something, but you don't loose anything. If we become a complete success, great, you just got yourself a one way ticket to an awesome experience -- without putting your name on the line." I had explained essentially that I was held repsonsible for a failure & all you have to do is code, while I handle everything else, so that you can be successful...we're all students and this is a way to get involved with a project that we can have fun with...
3 uur later had ik een ondertekend contract in mijn inbox! Ik denk dat je echt moet erkennen en profiteren van het feit dat je een student bent. Ik heb een verkoopachtergrond en ik denk dat dat helpt, maar zet jezelf in de schoenen ... Waar gaat je doelgroep hangen, als je daar niet heen kunt gaan - welke sociale-mediasites gebruiken ze? Denk als een van deze mensen en je zult ze vinden ....
The first thing I did was post in each of my university's "class of..." Facebook pages. Some response, but nothing with the talent I was looking for or the skills I needed. I started to ask, where are these people from, who do they know?
I decided to ask in certain departments at my university and I was quickly referred to a student that was known for executing these types of projects. (More about him in a moment). My other developer was put in contact with me by an recruiter that I had contacted a month or so before. At the time, he wasn't he able to help, but I asked him to keep me in mind & remember me if he found somebdoy who may be interested....we'll he found somebody!
I know this answers your specific question, but I should note, the recruiter put somebdoy in touch with me. I don't do any coding or engineering either, but I do know sales. When both of my developers came to me and said, "I don't know if I can do this without being paid, because as students we have to work" ... I basically told them the honest truth even if it wasn't true just yet...
I explained to the developers something super important that you should express and use to your advantage, because it's harder to say this adter graduation!
"You aren't taking a risk. If we become a complete failure, great, at least you leaned something, but you don't loose anything. If we become a complete success, great, you just got yourself a one way ticket to an awesome experience -- without putting your name on the line." I had explained essentially that I was held repsonsible for a failure & all you have to do is code, while I handle everything else, so that you can be successful...we're all students and this is a way to get involved with a project that we can have fun with...
3 uur later had ik een ondertekend contract in mijn inbox! Ik denk dat je echt moet erkennen en profiteren van het feit dat je een student bent. Ik heb een verkoopachtergrond en ik denk dat dat helpt, maar zet jezelf in de schoenen ... Waar gaat je doelgroep hangen, als je daar niet heen kunt gaan - welke sociale-mediasites gebruiken ze? Denk als een van deze mensen en je zult ze vinden ....
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